Early first press

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Having not had a great upswell of interest in the urban cider project, but having picked some apples last weekend with my good friend Tim, and having got the promise of the loan of a scratter and press from another old friend, Craig, I'm about to press my very first juice this weekend.

We have about 30kg of apples, almost all Bramley's at the moment, and I've got another tree to pick on Saturday afternoon, eating apples. I don't have any cider apples, just a few crabs which are fairly tannic, so while they'll help with the flavour it's likely that my cider is going to turn out to be fairly acidic, somewhat in the Kentish style.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do to offset this - I may try to stimulate a malo-lactic fermentation after the first racking - this can help to reduce acid levels and increase the interesting flavours in the cider.

The other thing I'm thinking of trying is not adding a cultured yeast, at least at first. Apples have plenty of wild yeasts in the flesh, and they imbue the cider with desirable flavours, but unfortunately these yeasts, the "apiculate" yeasts, so called due to their lemon shape under a microscope die out when the alcohol level reaches about 2%. At that point the Saccharomyces yeasts have to take over. Since the press I'm using has been used before to press apples I'm banking on there being some dessicated Saccharomyces left in there somewhere. According to cider guru Andrew Lea, this is the main way in which the non-wild yeasts get into cider in traditional making, since apples do not generally contain Saccharomyces.

By the way, if you are serious about wanting to understand cider making, I guarantee that reading Andrew Lea's book Craft Cider Making will help a lot.

So, if some Saccharomyces does manage to get into the cider, all well and good, although the fermentation might be a bit slower. Actually, slow fermentation is another thing that can help the flavour, which is why I'm thinking of doing it this way. Ultimately, if the fermentation appears to stop, I'll open it up and add a white wine yeast and some yeast nutrient - without extra nutrients the boisterous wine yeasts can overwhelm the cider, breaking down the juice for nutrients and liberating sulphurous flavours.

That's the theory, anyway, but you know what they say about theory: "In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they differ".


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Hi I'm Bristol-based and just

Hi I'm Bristol-based and just looking to have a crack at making some cider (on a very small scale) for the first time, unfortunately my first port of call for a press has let us down, and not sure we're going to have time to build anything before the apples go bad.

Anyone know where I can beg/borrow/steal or hire one?

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Possibly

It may be possible to lend you a press or to bring your apples to one. Where are you to in Bristol?

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lack of interest

I think your lack of overwhelming response is probably due to the fact that this is a new site and you haven't told enough people about it. Or maybe you told after they'd already been sampling some cider and couldn't remember the url;)

I think urban cider is exactly what the world needs and will be telling people about your project. I was actually thinking at the weekend that there were a few apple trees I know that are going to get wasted as people won't bother to pick the fruit.

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You're right

It's true, I haven't really been able to publicize this site as much as I'd like to, mainly because it's apple season and I've been up trees picking apples and subsequently pressing them.

With the help of several friends I managed at the weekend to collect a significant number of apples and taking advantage of Sunday's fine weather we pressed approximately 30 gallons of juice :)

Now it's sat in a friend's garage fermenting merrily away (I presume and hope... I'll see it again in a couple of days).

As soon as I recover from exhaustion I'll attempt a blog entry about the weekend, complete with photos.

Cheers for the interest.

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Hi

I'm in the process of setting up a cider making project in s glos and wondered if you have any advice. I noticed you wrote that you didn't get much interest in your project which has got me a little worried. I'm hoping to mobilize the local community to go out and pick unused apples !.

We do have access to a press and scratter but we also need lots of cider making equipment.
Do you have any ideas where can buy stuff cheap or second hand ?

Any advice would be gratefully received,

Thanks

Neil

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I'm a poor publicist

I expect you could probably do better at getting your project publicised - I just asked a bunch of mates on facebook and some joined the facebook group but then were deathly silent when the subject of actually picking apples came up!

It sounds like you have most of what you need if you have a press and scratter! Obviously fermentation vessels and sundry chemicals and equipment are required.

You should join the cider workshop google group, they may have advice or possibly old spare equipment - http://ciderworkshop.com/

It was on that list I found a recommendation for this company for fermentation vessels - this is probably the relevant page although it's a shame they're all opaque as it's nice to see where the lees are

For that reason I've been considering these instead

I saw a really cool home-made airlock somewhere recently; I'll try to find it and post it.

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Found it

Found the DIY airlock - it's from a 1950s-ish magazine showing how to build a rig to make cider

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Slight correction

While the Saccharomyces yeast does sometimes come from the press and other equipment, there are some of these yeast cells present in the apples and they grow on while the apiculate yeasts die out.

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